Lincoln's Sovereignty

[Chad]

Fellow Kindred of Lincoln,
Through the dark and dangerous nights that lay behind us,
Lincoln has been many things. It has been a center of power
to the mortals, a hotbed of corruption and crime, a boudoir of
strange bedfellows and the battleground for erstwhile and
eccentric kindred. Our city has been a commodity and a liability
to our kindred cousins from the North, a contested speck of land
that has been alternately ruled with an iron fist and then, in the
same breath, as it were, disregarded. Simultaneous neglect and ham-fisted totalitarianism has left many of us weary, and wary.
The seat of power has changed several times while I have
stalked the streets and lurked within the libraries of this city.
One has been rather final. One has been brief. and one has
been ultimately trying. The rulership of Lincoln has ever been a
question, and that colors each decree with an inquisitive sort
of punctuation.
Where are the periods in our city? Where are the exclaimation
points? Who walks the streets night after night; who knows its
alleyways and shortcuts? Who wraps themselves in the peculiar
humours of Lincoln each night like the arms of a seduced lover?

We do.

Who walks upon us each night they arrive? Who erroneously
believes none will invoke domain upon them? Who forgets that
while here, those who call Lincoln home shall NOT tolerate the
flippant, dismissive wave of the 'regal' hand?

You know.

Who controls Lincoln if not Lincoln? Who stands ready to break
the tide, as the rock stalwartly standing in the path of the wave?
Who, indeed, can say they work for the city's good if they cannot
stand as SOVEREIGN? Who is sovereign in Lincoln?

We are.


Matthias Hawke
Dragon

[jason]

So Mathias,

We know your words scream for Lincoln stand for a sovereign Lincoln a city you need not fear from political powers of the outside a city you need not consistantly care for issues that affect us not. A single city where the words of consistant guests are more no longer as important as those with standing in the city.

You ask for help, you ask for people, well both can be found if you look.

What do you intend to do though Hawke? When all falls into place what do you plan to do.

Thats what we would like to know.

DJ Shades

The screams of revelution are being heard....

The sounds of drums are being beaten...

The Revolution is now and the Revolution will be Televised

[Chad]

D.J. Shades,

This is not a cry for help. This is not a call to war. What I ask is only that those who call this city home know that no kindred within this city has to stand for being stepped on by those presumptuous kindred who are used to doing so. Our domain is just that; our own. Our illustrious visitors have become accustomed to ignoring the Traditions while within our borders. Our Masquerade is endangered, our resources squandered, and property is disrespected.

Let us not, citizen and visitor alike, fall to stagnation. Let us meet each night with reason and thought. Let us raise up our city and let it stand on its own. There is a mistaken assumption that Lincoln does not, that the kindred of Lincoln are weak. So far, I have not seen much evidence to the contrary, besides occasional energetic displays of strength and... civic pride.

Our city has a Carthian presence for the first time since the fall of Sanctified rule in the 1950's. Our seneschal is Ross Zigler, known to be active in the movement. These facts signify and personify change. The purpose of the change- and change MUST serve a purpose- is to solidify Lincoln to a cohesive city, to remove any doubt that we stand sovereign.

In essence, this change requires all kindred of Lincoln to take an active role in shaping and defining our domain. We must build our domain up to a level that no visitor has any question as to who is in charge. (To that point, I am surprised that the Invictus did not come up with this idea first.)

All kindred of Lincoln, stand and be counted.

The rest remain seated.

For my Domain,
Hawke

[jason]

Mathias I am not intelligent and I know this so Im going to have to break this down

D.J. Shades,

This is not a cry for help. This is not a call to war. What I ask is only that those who call this city home know that no kindred within this city has to stand for being stepped on by those presumptuous kindred who are used to doing so. Our domain is just that; our own. Our illustrious visitors have become accustomed to ignoring the Traditions while within our borders. Our Masquerade is endangered, our resources squandered, and property is disrespected.

Whoa whoa, First where in my statement did I EVER say war. I am generally against blood shed, nothing usually good is gained out of it. The question I ask is truely what do Kindred within this city or more specifically YOU plan to do about it, and HOW do you plan to go about it.

Let us not, citizen and visitor alike, fall to stagnation. Let us meet each night with reason and thought. Let us raise up our city and let it stand on its own. There is a mistaken assumption that Lincoln does not, that the kindred of Lincoln are weak. So far, I have not seen much evidence to the contrary, besides occasional energetic displays of strength and... civic pride.

Fully agree, I am a traveler and have friends in many areas yes, but first and above all rule is the one even dogs know. Don't shit where you sleep. Your city is the most important beyond anything. Worry about other issues second. But what are your suggestions there oh Great and Wise Mathias... I hear more complaining but I hear no solutions.

Our city has a Carthian presence for the first time since the fall of Sanctified rule in the 1950's. Our seneschal is Ross Zigler, known to be active in the movement. These facts signify and personify change. The purpose of the change- and change MUST serve a purpose- is to solidify Lincoln to a cohesive city, to remove any doubt that we stand sovereign.

Well while nicely speaking about the Carthian presence i gotta tip my hat to you on that one, you win 1 free pixie stick. I do ask do we stand as a coheesive city? Are we truely united? I would say to that a resounding No, not yet. We are only groups now groups that live in the same area we are not truely a city unless an enemy shows up. Then and somehow only then do we actually work together... ah well such is the nature of the beast.

In essence, this change requires all kindred of Lincoln to take an active role in shaping and defining our domain. We must build our domain up to a level that no visitor has any question as to who is in charge. (To that point, I am surprised that the Invictus did not come up with this idea first.)

All kindred of Lincoln, stand and be counted.

Ah but who are ACTUAL Invictus of Lincoln our Prince is Invictus... or is he Crone? I would wonder whom he serves above all. Truely I would believe his awnser is simple, as any good Prince he serves the City. We have Carthians I know this to be true, we have the most gracious members of the Ordo... wait I havent met a single one of you guys never mind. the Crone always show up... but which crone are lincoln which are Omaha... even the Prince's soon to be bride is not a resident of Lincoln. The Lancea remain a spear of 1 in this city. But good news for EVERYONE theres always more unaligned in this city.

The rest remain seated.

I perfer to sit while I type but in the figuritive sense I stand

For my Domain,
Hawke

And for your domain you remain

For this city
DJ Shades

The screams of revelution are being heard....

The sounds of drums are being beaten...

The Revolution is now and the Revolution will be Televised

[Chad]

Whoa whoa, First where in my statement did I EVER say war.

No where. That statement is purely disclaimer. Many rattle the spears as they say. (No offense to the good Bishop for the double entendre) Many look for a reason to fight, the slightest excuse to prove that they have developed power or skill. They champ at the bit for an opportunity to show off, which is frankly disappointing. It shows such a lack of imagination and subtlety that it seems reasonable that there was some sort of make-the-biggest-dumbest-kindred-you-can contest that I missed (thankfully, but we all get to watch the results, don't we?).


Fully agree, I am a traveler and have friends in many areas yes, but first and above all rule is the one even dogs know. Don't shit where you sleep. Your city is the most important beyond anything. Worry about other issues second. But what are your suggestions there oh Great and Wise Mathias... I hear more complaining but I hear no solutions.

The solution is simple, but I am not a city of one. I am not as arrogant as some as to believe that I am an entire city in and of myself. That's just delusional. The solutions lie with all of us.

Well while nicely speaking about the Carthian presence i gotta tip my hat to you on that one, you win 1 free pixie stick. I do ask do we stand as a coheesive city? Are we truely united? I would say to that a resounding No, not yet. We are only groups now groups that live in the same area we are not truely a city unless an enemy shows up. Then and somehow only then do we actually work together... ah well such is the nature of the beast.

Indeed, Shades. We agree upon this. (And where should I go to claim my prize? How do I prove I won it?)

Ah but who are ACTUAL Invictus of Lincoln our Prince is Invictus... or is he Crone? I would wonder whom he serves above all. Truely I would believe his awnser is simple, as any good Prince he serves the City. We have Carthians I know this to be true, we have the most gracious members of the Ordo... wait I havent met a single one of you guys never mind. the Crone always show up... but which crone are lincoln which are Omaha... even the Prince's soon to be bride is not a resident of Lincoln.

Who knows with the Crone? They are dangerous, as any of us are, and pay at least passing respect to change and growth. They know that one may learn from everything around them, and that is respectable.

The Lancea remain a spear of 1 in this city. But good news for EVERYONE theres always more unaligned in this city.

In the Sanctified, especially in Lincoln, one is most certainly enough. Bishop DeWynter is a thoughtful and far-seeing soul. An excellent thinker, which is far more important than teeth in being a good predator.

Knowing an imagined slight causes more damage than a real one,
Matthias Hawke

[jason]

No where. That statement is purely disclaimer. Many rattle the spears as they say. (No offense to the good Bishop for the double entendre) Many look for a reason to fight, the slightest excuse to prove that they have developed power or skill. They champ at the bit for an opportunity to show off, which is frankly disappointing. It shows such a lack of imagination and subtlety that it seems reasonable that there was some sort of make-the-biggest-dumbest-kindred-you-can contest that I missed (thankfully, but we all get to watch the results, don't we?).

Oh good making sure you know I am not one who proclaims War, I tend to loathe fighting as it is the tool of the ignorant, and while I may be a moron I realize there are MUCH better ways to deal with situations.

The solution is simple, but I am not a city of one. I am not as arrogant as some as to believe that I am an entire city in and of myself. That's just delusional. The solutions lie with all of us.

No but you are a resident of a city, I asked for a solution to which you say "Its simple" but don't state the solution. It is one thing to say its within us all. It's another to step up and suggest it to the crowd.

Here Ill give a Solution. Something that assists us ALL as a city. Pick someone anyone in this city that is not a member of your covenant. Relax, chill talk and spend time with them, you grow you network you make those covenant lines actually blur and become more than groups that live in the same area. You become a city.

Indeed, Shades. We agree upon this. (And where should I go to claim my prize? How do I prove I won it?)

The next gathering I will be there. Show up and you get your prize. I may ask for ID as my pixie sticks are the best

Who knows with the Crone? They are dangerous, as any of us are, and pay at least passing respect to change and growth. They know that one may learn from everything around them, and that is respectable.

We are all dangerous in a way. But I perfer their danger not screw with me.

In the Sanctified, especially in Lincoln, one is most certainly enough. Bishop DeWynter is a thoughtful and far-seeing soul. An excellent thinker, which is far more important than teeth in being a good predator.

Knowing an imagined slight causes more damage than a real one,
Matthias Hawke

I think every covenant is like a specific brand of potato chip. 1 is never enough.

The most gracious Bishop is definitly calm and relaxed and obviously very intelligent. Still, he is 1, face it the lance presence in the city is umm... NULL!

Knowing that I say what I mean and mean what I say.

DJ Shades

The screams of revelution are being heard....

The sounds of drums are being beaten...

The Revolution is now and the Revolution will be Televised

[Scott]

Needless to say, I have been pleasantly engaged watching this most recent thread. I respond to this only to add this point on the apparent (and freely admitted) absence of the Sanctified within Lincoln...

You have both referred to me as a "spear". And indeed, I may be just that. I also have my shield (be that figurative or literal). Spartan (and later Roman) legions were able to keep large armies at bay with a mere handful of men armed only with their spears and protected only with their shields. I put forth this thought to the both of you...imagine what one Kindred may do with the proper motivation and resources.

En muneris ut Deus,

Bishop Lucas Elazar DeWynter

[Chad]

Bishop,
Thank you for your counsel, and yes, just one kindred is capable of much. Many are most often
capable of a MESS. Working together toward a common goal, the kindred can and have moved
mountains. Entire civilizations have risen and fallen due to kindred machinations. One city of kindred
can easily take control of their destiny and domain, provided the administration is on board.

Hawke

[Chad]

DJ Shades,
I have enjoyed our conversation immensely so far. I would think the solution is self-evident, but then, I am often misread. Putting our city first, and disregarding the quibbling of outside kindred, at least until their demeanor in our city is fitting to their guest status.
Ultimately, the treatment of our city is our own fault. If we do not
stand, we will be trampled. So it has been in the past. So it will be in the future if we allow it.

Hawke

[jason]

Ah but there are those of other neighboring cities whos words are considered high even equal to the Seneshal. So how do we disregard these people if they are considered so high within this city.

food to think about

DJ Shades