To stir your heart Vlm 2

[jason]

Because life and even requiems deserve to be heard I made a propsal upon my last bit of rambling.

Awnser and let us be TRUELY Enlightened about those actions and yes I know I added to the question but hey gotta be fair about this

Remember Judge wisely and fairly City of Enlightenment

William Jones Webb

[Timothy]

It's wonderful that we live in a democracy where people can vote on the actions of another and condemn or praise him.

It's great that the views of the harpies are ignored and those who may not have an appropriate view of the situation can sit in judgement.

I applaud the fact that I have said that I will be handling this situation, and yet people still wish to "judge" the case as if it is their burden to bear.

Then again, perhaps continually rubbing salt in a potentially volitaile wound isn't the best solution after all. But who am I to say? I can't remove your right to an opinion, now can I?

Czar Spectre

[jason]

It's wonderful that we live in a democracy where people can vote on the actions of another and condemn or praise him.

I fully believe you are correct isnt it. I mean the status of someone within the city cannot be destermined by one individual as and entire city must see someone as recognized or valued. And truely gossip rumor and use of the mighty quill I find so much better than the use of a sword or pistol to another.

It's great that the views of the harpies are ignored and those who may not have an appropriate view of the situation can sit in judgement.

I thought Harpy was a derogitory term according to Lord Alder Grim, shouoldnt it be the word speaker, none the less, So far I have not been corrected on any of the views that have been stated a and shoudl I be corrected on any of the views stated this will of course go to reflect that.

I applaud the fact that I have said that I will be handling this situation, and yet people still wish to "judge" the case as if it is their burden to bear.

Are we being the judges or merely expressing our opinions it can only be considered true judgement if you lend power to that judgement. Which is really your call completly.

Then again, perhaps continually rubbing salt in a potentially volitaile wound isn't the best solution after all. But who am I to say? I can't remove your right to an opinion, now can I?

You can certainly try but I've been known to have one even if it does not sit right. Expression is the greatest form of thought and this is a city to Enlighten.

William Jones Webb

PS currently we have 2 votes for the Keeper being fully at fault and 1 vote that states Lord Alder Grim did break his world even though the keeper did not do her best there

[Luke]

Anonymous votes are great when you are afraid of what voicing your opinion could come to. I am no great friend of Balthasar. We have had more than our fair share of disagreements in the short time that he has been in the city. I am no great enemy of Angelina although we have had our fair exchange of religious banter.

However, I chose Option 3. This crude question poll by no way encompasses my entire point of view. In fact, I believe that Cowboy Hat chose to use this poll as a way to reinforce Carthian stereotypes against the Invictus Giant. Oddly enough Balthasar is both a figurative and literal translation.

I would go even further to state that Cowboy Hat's motive was not to shed any true enlightenment upon the subject, but to see how many of us he could get to participate in his democratic endeavor. I will not even pretend to use sarcasm to tell you how great of a job you have done. It is obvious to any educated man or beast who has read this propoganda that it is sloppy work at best. We vote for your displeasure, Mister Hat. We vote to show you that no amount of sweet words can hide the truth. We vote to show you the futility of a voice for no reason but to babble.

It is the duties of the Keeper of Elysium to maintain a safe place for the gatherings that we have. Thus, it is her responsibility with the bartender. The gunmen who were outside of the gathering could have very well followed most of us to the Elysium. I place no fault on her for this. However, those employed by the establishment are most definately under her charge.

For a well-deserved insult she attacked Balthasar and it is important to note that this was not in the throes of a frenzied rage, but in a controlled movement with wooden heels aimed at his heart. He did nothing but attempt to restrain her. For this she was rid of her title.

Anna shouted for them to stop and so they did. A major boon was arranged between them. In following Balthasar stated that he would allow Angelina the opportunity to rid herself of that boon by participating in Monomacy. Note the wording though. Balthasar did not state that he was cashing in the boon nor that Angelina need to accept the duel. It was merely offered.

How is she not at fault, as Master of Elysium, for what happened with the bartender?

How is he wrong by allowing her an opportunity to satisfy the boon?

I would honestly like to hear arguments. As far as I can see this poll is a stab at the Invictus from afar by a Carthian waving a monkeywrench. It is all noise and no point.

Where are your votes and why?

...Victimarius Kelly Wax
setting up the next round of dominoes...

[jason]

Anonymous votes are great when you are afraid of what voicing your opinion could come to. I am no great friend of Balthasar. We have had more than our fair share of disagreements in the short time that he has been in the city. I am no great enemy of Angelina although we have had our fair exchange of religious banter.

I personally would have wished for peoples opinions with these votes myself. As it truely is just that opinions, Thank you for voicing yours.

However, I chose Option 3. This crude question poll by no way encompasses my entire point of view. In fact, I believe that Cowboy Hat chose to use this poll as a way to reinforce Carthian stereotypes against the Invictus Giant. Oddly enough Balthasar is both a figurative and literal translation.

While not my truest intention or real desire it could be an added benefiet really. But then again I dont always seem to add to the carthian sterotype so what are sterotypes but more molds in which we may be able to break.

I would go even further to state that Cowboy Hat's motive was not to shed any true enlightenment upon the subject, but to see how many of us he could get to participate in his democratic endeavor. I will not even pretend to use sarcasm to tell you how great of a job you have done. It is obvious to any educated man or beast who has read this propoganda that it is sloppy work at best. We vote for your displeasure, Mister Hat. We vote to show you that no amount of sweet words can hide the truth. We vote to show you the futility of a voice for no reason but to babble.

Wrong on both counts and allow me to explain to you why. First off The idea of shedding Enlightenment is more of me explaining from the standpoint of someone who honestly cared not on all individuals as I have had no real contact with either of them. Secondly you assume very wrongly to believe democracy is my goal, pity I would believe your writings to allow you to have more intelligence than what you believe. I will tell you there is a social experiment a foot and yet you have first gone down the wrongest of paths. Please I welcome attempts to try again.

But I have gone on a tangent. Please show me, prove to me what you will. I encourage it I applaud it. You vote for my displeasure vote, you refuse to vote, do not, you desire to comment on this comment, you desire to remain silent, do so. The actions mean little as much as the intentions so I thank you Mr. Wax for you have assisted me in this.

It is the duties of the Keeper of Elysium to maintain a safe place for the gatherings that we have. Thus, it is her responsibility with the bartender. The gunmen who were outside of the gathering could have very well followed most of us to the Elysium. I place no fault on her for this. However, those employed by the establishment are most definately under her charge.

For a well-deserved insult she attacked Balthasar and it is important to note that this was not in the throes of a frenzied rage, but in a controlled movement with wooden heels aimed at his heart. He did nothing but attempt to restrain her. For this she was rid of her title.

Anna shouted for them to stop and so they did. A major boon was arranged between them. In following Balthasar stated that he would allow Angelina the opportunity to rid herself of that boon by participating in Monomacy. Note the wording though. Balthasar did not state that he was cashing in the boon nor that Angelina need to accept the duel. It was merely offered.

How is she not at fault, as Master of Elysium, for what happened with the bartender?

How is he wrong by allowing her an opportunity to satisfy the boon?

Excellent point on all of the statements, did I once mention that he was WRONG in doing so. Did I mention once that she was not at fault. I believe I in fact praised him for his helpful actions.

I would honestly like to hear arguments. As far as I can see this poll is a stab at the Invictus from afar by a Carthian waving a monkeywrench. It is all noise and no point.

Where are your votes and why?

I have chosen to remain the right to not vote on this and thus far have not. It is not right of me to vote on a subject that I brought up. It should be known if I were to vote there would be an explanation for my vote as I do enjoy giving my opinion.

...Victimarius Kelly Wax
setting up the next round of dominoes...

Then we should sit and play

[Luke]

Cowboy Hat,

I realize that I am not a Wild West gunslinger nor an old Lord from Western Europe. Dracula does not claim me to be his sire nor do I claim to have inspired Anne Rice to write her vampire novels. Perhaps that makes me less equipped to see through your political maneuverings. Perhaps not.

By the simple offering of a poll it is made apparent that you are looking for popular opinion. The medium you have used makes the poll anonymous and the votes of each participant equal in scope and depth. If democracy is not what you wished to craft - you should have used different tools. I expect you to claim it was an exercise in logistics and in no way subversive towards the Invictus rule. I also expect this to be a lie.

Although I presume to know a lot about your inner workings, Mr. Hat, I never stated that I knew which option you chose. I was merely explaining my stance.

The fact that you do not find it prudent to vote on a subject you brought up is pretentious. I have voiced my opinion at your behest and now you refuse to do the same?

Perhaps that layer of anonymity is not enough of a cushion. Fear of reprisal has stopped many men from action. Therefore, I should not judge too harshly and I encourage the other men and women of the city to respect the healthy amount of fear that it shows you possess towards Czar Spectre.

Hugs and kisses,
Victimarius Kelly Wax

P.S. Quoting others only to pull apart sections of an argument to handle individually is tacky and rude. Ride on your own steam. Use your own words to make points. Rely less on others.

P.P.S. We really do eat kittens.

Current Votes:
Option 1 - 0 vote(s)
Option 2 - 1 vote(s)
Option 3 - 3 vote(s) One of which is mine.
Option 4 - 2 vote(s)

[jason]

I realize that I am not a Wild West gunslinger nor an old Lord from Western Europe. Dracula does not claim me to be his sire nor do I claim to have inspired Anne Rice to write her vampire novels. Perhaps that makes me less equipped to see through your political maneuverings. Perhaps not.

Your doing so well actually I give you credit that if your directional sense on these maneuverings was started in the right direction you would do rather well.

By the simple offering of a poll it is made apparent that you are looking for popular opinion. The medium you have used makes the poll anonymous and the votes of each participant equal in scope and depth. If democracy is not what you wished to craft - you should have used different tools. I expect you to claim it was an exercise in logistics and in no way subversive towards the Invictus rule. I also expect this to be a lie.

Correct, on the first Unintentional on the second as this source cannot force a person to make an opinion with a vote. But for me to force would be condrictory to the statement of power to the people... pity. And the tool I have crafted suits me well and fine for a purely social experiment. As I said thank you in participating.

Although I presume to know a lot about your inner workings, Mr. Hat, I never stated that I knew which option you chose. I was merely explaining my stance.

I am glad you have explained your stance I wish you well in that endevor and I do hope you were to learn more from me. In fact I believe knowledge to be a valuable tool. So learn what you can, and just maybe that knowledge may enlighten you in ways you never thought possible.

The fact that you do not find it prudent to vote on a subject you brought up is pretentious. I have voiced my opinion at your behest and now you refuse to do the same?

Yes, and correct. This has been completly explained and well I dont feel like explaining myself again.

Perhaps that layer of anonymity is not enough of a cushion. Fear of reprisal has stopped many men from action. Therefore, I should not judge too harshly and I encourage the other men and women of the city to respect the healthy amount of fear that it shows you possess towards Czar Spectre.

Maybe you are right. Maybe it is a fear of reprisal from the Czar that stays my words. Should not the esteemed kindred Love, Fear, and Respect the Czar the man that controls your very requiems at the tip of his fingers. The Kindred that has the sole authority to cast you out of his city less he felt you a danger to the populas. The proud leader that very much is the city. Indeed perhaps I do, I question then would that not cause fear, love, respect, admiration, jealousy, and a variety of all manners of emotions that we must search to return to. If it did not well... perhaps I am not intellectual enough to understand what would.

Hugs and kisses,
William Jones Webb

P.S. Quoting others only to pull apart sections of an argument to handle individually is tacky and rude. Ride on your own steam. Use your own words to make points. Rely less on others.

R.P.S Its part of the game sorry I will when the game is over.

P.P.S. We really do eat kittens.

R.P.P.S How do they taste I personally would never eat an animal myself?

[jessica]

eating kitties is hawt thou... giggty giggty

Kitty

[tonyrobben]

Dam!

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